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check in 15 years. good morning, everybody. i'm becky quick here on cnbc along with joe kernen and andrew ross sorkin. the question of the morning is can the stock euphoria carry over into this new year? the dow and the s&p ending at record levels. advances were led by consumer discretionary stocks with that secretarior up more than 40% in one year. if you want to measure sentiment, it's worth noting that the volatility index fell 40% in the last 12 months. the futures this morning on this very first trading day of the year, they are indicated lower. dow futures down by about 43 points, s&p off by 5.5 points. take a look at the "wall street journal." it has an interesting profile and some of the traders who scored the biggest wins will
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calls. we'll talk more about david tepper and some others in just a moment. but first, andrew has a roundup of some of the morning's top stories. andrew, that story is already here in the new york city area. >> i can't believe it. we needed it about a week ago. >> i don't know. shocked me a bit this morning, whoa, back to work in the snow. >> well, happy new year. >> you, too, happy new year. fiat decided to buy the stake in chrysler it doesn't already own. this is all in cash. once that deal closes, chrysler is committed to giving the trust an additional $700 million. the agreement ends months of tense negotiations. the deal means no chrysler ipo. that's important because the ceo never wanted that.
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and phil lebeau will have more at the top of the hour. in our corporate news, mccow ka seeno has reeled a deal. we're going to talk more about the big business of gambling coming up at 7:40 eastern time. cnbc is part of that and windsor media, an investment firm run by former yahoo! chief terry stimble, it's signing a separate partnership for news coverage. this takes effect today so you'll be seeing some of these folks right here on cnbc.
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and there's been a lot of speculation about what this is going to look like for a long time. this ends a little bit of that. joe, over to you. >> did you see the clock strike midnight? >> i did see the clock strike midnight. >> i didn't. i fell asleep. >> that was my point, andrew. you're there and you're like, this is new year's coverage. for me, it was -- you know, and i'm always doing this schtick about being out of the loop of the younger people and stuff. >> do you miss them? >> i don't really miss them, but i realized it's a clear group of information. they were making fun of the tea party. >> andrew even said it felt a little -- >> it was like i know how old people they must have looked, who is this dick clark guy?
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he likes that rock and roll music. >> but at least you stayed up and watched it. i fell asleep. >> that's because you can't sleep when you -- >> i flipped around channels. carson did a great job. i thought ryan seacrest did a great job. >> i i was up going to the bathroom. >> by the way, carl quintanilla said miley cyrus looked like b liberachi. did you see the suit she had on? >> yeah, i did. she had a lot of make yp on. >> i had to xoif with willie joel because his voice is different now. but miley cyrus painted. she just kept saying in i can have any type of year like i said last year, it was the greatest. just sort of embraced, like that was all planned. >> she politic up wisplit up wi
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>> yeah, but we went from nothing to -- but i just noted that it was all digital and it was all facebook and twitter and young people doing all this. i don't know. i felt a little crotchty. >> cathy and -- >> cathy and hoda? >> no, no, it was on that other channel. they chained each other to -- they put handcuffs on each other. >> we're going to lose our weather guy, which let's talk about this because it's going to be affecting us all of us. did you see what the temperature was in winnipeg? >> no. >> same as mars. it's like an uninhabited planet. up to 40 million people are bracing for a winter storm today. alex wallace joins us from the weather channel. morning, alex. >> good morning. you said it right. it's going to be impacting a lot of folks. no question about it. in fact, we've got winter alerts, winter storm warnings
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across the northeast and blizzard warnings south and east of boston and across long island. we work our way towards nassau and suffolk counties. with the snow and the wind, we could be talking about whiteout conditions where you can't see out there. it could she very, very tough to navigate. basically, if you don't have to be out traveling here, that is your best bet. seeing snow showers out there in and around boston trailing back across new york state right now. there's more heavy snow out in the west talking about parts of understand incide indiana into illinois. that's piling its way on in to the east. now it's moving its way through ohio. all the areas in the blue, that's where we'll find snow picking up in intensity. we'll see the snow out there for us. friday, it likes like most of the snow will be during the early part of the day and by the
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time we get into the even hours, it will be ending. how much will we see? there could be measuring some in feet. it will be a zone stretching across new york state. again, stay away from the trfl aing if you don't have to. back to you. >> all right, alex. that would be a lot. >> you said feet. >> i happen. the kids were off the last two weeks and they have their fingers crossed about tomorrow. they're going back for one day? it's like, god, i hope i'm off friday. you've been off for two weeks. in global market news, chinese data suggesting the world's largest economy could be slowing. china's factory activity pulled back in december. in the u.s. today, a couple
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of economic reports of note. at 8:30 eastern, we get weekly yols jobless claims. at 10:00, we get ism manufacturing numbers. >> i think our board illustrate wrong. it says 7:00. >> i don't know. normally christmas and new year's don't fall on a wednesday. >> it messes up, i think, the first week of january indicator because these first two days don't really count. does the first week start on monday? >> maybe it's from wednesday to thursday. >> if it's thursday to thursday, we're down 43. you can't -- >> no, but the statistics have always been based on -- >> i know. but in the first week, so goes the first month. as the first month, january, so goes the year.
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so it's important what we do in the first week. does thursday count or not? >> but if it's counted for the past 50 or 80 years -- >> you think it's included? >> we should take a look at it because it's not the first time christmas has fallen on a wednesday. >> maybe those were outlying years. i don't know. i am uncomfortable. as we head into 2014 and take a look at these investment opportunities, the wa"the wall journal" for to 14. the hedge fund founder betts against the pressure metal. the firm made more than $100 million betting against gold prices. >> i think it closed between 1200 on tuesday. no, just over again. meanwhile, david.
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er tepper turned more bullish. >> they had a picture of him in the post. he looked like maybe he was a king. maybe they had king robes on him and some crowns. a few brave investors scored huge. i read that today. so it was like you had to do different things to score huge. two days ago, this journal, do you remember what it was? boring funds served investors best. >> i think they both need since. >> but the point was wab boring, and then the next day, the this
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fancy work off off. >> cohen's numbers, 17% after the year. but that's after he paid his fees. >> but these are two, though. >> no, but his are like 2 and 20. and then the last one was not a pretty story. was it under 10%. >> i think it might have been. i have to go back and look at the number. >> i don't know. let's take a look at the markets this morning. we've been watching the futures. as we mentioned, they are under pressure. right now, dow futures down by 56 points below fair value. s&p is off by 6.5 points. oil price these morning are up slightly.
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up by just 3w7 cents. that's just for wti crude, which is at 98.49. the brent crude prices are down by about a penny. if you take a look at what is happening with the new year, the yield is at 3.036%. if wonder where we head in 2013. >> if you're watching the dollar, it is stronger across the board, trading at 105 of 40 for the yes or no. euro is at 1.3697. and gold prices, i believe they were up. up about $16 this morning. $1,218.20 an ounce. >> i was pointing out on tuesday it looks like they were going to close at the lows. but it didn't. >> should wige go across the po? >> yeah. people in california when
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they're watching carson daily, it's 9:00 out there. do we replay the -- do they watch the ball come sdoun? >> i sent a tweet out happy new year and then all these people wrote left coastist. >> i think that's a big drawback, but you're three hours behind everything. >> i'd take it for the weather. >> not if you tau the traffic you wouldn't. >> ross, are you with us? >> he gets there five hours before us on the new year. but he probably thinks we're missing out. >> but he has to live in england to do that. >> ross, goss what's going on? >> we have dow here in europe, around about 7 to 3 decliners outpacing advancers at the moment yesterday. the ftse 100, down 15% over the course of the year. it was dragged lower.
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it's an underperformer because of basic resource sector. today it's down 0.5%. we had some manufacturing data. 57.3 in bres. eurozone manufacturing pmis were concerned. the xetra dax/cac down 1% republicfully. and the ftse mib is currently down 0.2%. it's outperformance because of that fiat deal. fiat is at the top of the stoxx 600 today because around 4.35 billion deal. that 41% stake with the united auto work's up. they're committing a further $700 million to be paid over
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thee years. the question remains whether there will be enough to wipe the debt. fiat stock, liked by the market, up 12.5% at the moment. and a couple of retailers you might be expecting in focus post christmas sales, a gloomy season for many uk retailers, but there has been an outperformance from john lewis and rival house frazier, as well for you. keel keep our eye out. >> dlorg/yen has been up at five year highs, too. that's it for this particular. we have in some pictures for you for what new year's eve was like in london. it's where i met joe. this is what it looks like. >> i saw that, ross.
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they didn't show the wheel immediately and then i saw the wheel. i hate that thing. you got nervous on that thing? >> petrified. i don't like that. hey, what was i going to say? i was going to ask you something else. >> beautiful. >> what do they do before the wheel? what was sort of the -- >> london bridge? >> or was it ben? >> we never really had a place where we had a lot of fireworks. the key place for new year's eve traditionally was trefalger square and people would just into the nnts finance. the other on thing it's done is it's taken care of edinburgh. they had the big fireworks display. it's called hulkamenie. >> that wheel was only supposed
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to be temporary, originally. i was living there at the time. that was great. we all ran to it. >> is that the world fair or something? >> was it the millennial wheel? >> the millennium wheel. it was only sponsored for a couple of years and they were supposed to take it down. but it was so popular, that they felt they would keep it. >> thank you, ross. weed, it's in the news. this morning, the world's favorite state licensed retailers are legally permitted to sell pot for recreational use. some shops closed early because inventory was running low. no firm numbers yet on how much money was need in sales. and maybe we should do like the other things -- >> this is all guys standing in
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that line. i didn't see a single one. >> there. >> two, i see two. johnny carson always used to -- whenever he talked about his band, he looked over at all the guys and how is that now that it's legal, you guys? they're hiding. >> you are getting old. >> i am. but when you have a couple of drinks, you're not necessarily changing your sobriety. right? you might feel -- when you spoke a joint, you are going somewhere where you want to get. >> how do they even test you for -- >> it's not even -- >> on the road? >> you need to just stay in your house, i think, don't you? >> yes.
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>> people worry about kids coming home from school, people worry about driving. >> what about lung cancer? >> the former mayor bloomberg would not be happy. >> there were a lot of things he did where i thought he was high. i thought definitely he has to be stoned out of his mind for what he came up. honestly, how would a trooper even noe f pulled you over? >> i think they can with a blood test. but are they going to be able to take a blood test right there on the scene and force you to do it? all the people going 5 miles per hour on the highway sort of -- >> i would go long. whoever makes visine, i would go long that company in denver. >> how about hostess. >> twinkies, visine, that would be good. >> what was my candy of choice? peanut m&ms. >> i'm honestly amazed.
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i never thought i'd see the day -- >> weren't we supposed to wait until the next break to talk about this, though? >> no. we have some other things to talk about. >> anyway, speaking of, you know, when you smoke pot, you get the munchies. walmart has recalled donkey meat sold at some outlets in china. the decision comes after test showed the product donkey. >> there's a lot of things you don't want in there, dog, probably, donkey, horse. but it's weird that our friends that are animals we won't eat, but the ones that -- i mean, cows are pretty nice. pigs are pretty nice. we feel bad about horses for some reason. >> i stopped eating pig for a
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while after "charlotte's web." >> did you, really? >> yeah. >> the other white meat. even though you were at the deblasio thing -- >> i was in the front row. no, i was not there. >> his first initiative is getting rid of the horse drawn carriage. >> i'm personally upset about this. when i don't come here with jeeves, i get taken him in a horse drawn carriage. no, it is complicated. >> look, there were some bad situations years ago with the horses. >> they got hit with cars? they have been taken care of. >> so there were issues, but now it's in a highly regulated
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industry. there are a lot of people saying they're beloved by their owners. so i don't know. but to me, it's more of a priority issue. the other thing is, you know, follow the money. the reason he was behind this was because there was a huge lobbying group that is funded by these real estate guys who want to get rid of the carriages. so this is not do is she i'm suggesting that there's issues. >> this is what we were supposed to talk about in the next segment. i will tell you, if you get behind a horse that is having some digestive issues, it's -- ooh. coming up, a rescue for
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passengers stranded in the absent arctic, that's at issue. michigan state wins the rose bowl, 28-20. plus, i wchd the winter classic. it was pretty cool with the snow building up. that was a family thing. it was great. we'll be right back. now listen to me, duck. i have an associate that met with, uh, an unfortunate accident. while he's been incapacitated, somebody's been paying him cash. now, is this your doing? aflac? now, if i met with some such accident, would aflac pay me? ♪ nice. this is your stop. [ male announcer ] find out what aflac can do for you and your family... aflac? [ male announcer ] ...at aflac.com.
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time now for the executive edge. the rescue of passengers from the ant arctic is under way. a helicopter is transporting them to a nearby australian vessel. it showed people heading towards that helicopter. the russian research ship has been trapped in ant arctic ice since christmas eve. it's not in danger and the 22 crew members will remain on board after the other passengers have been evacuated from the vessel. this has been a long time going. they had been waiting on this helicopter because there was a lot of fog and other conditions. the journal has an interesting take on it, a little bit tung and cheek that they're getting rescued by fossil fuels.
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it has not been widely disseminated that this was a global warming expedition, the leader of the expedition wanted to show how much things have changed. the irony, it is rich that they were stuck and really, really stuck. but he still says that -- holding on to his -- >> definitely, everything is melting down there. this is old ice, he said. i'm not sure what his point was. one of my new year's resolutions is it's just -- you're not supposed to tell your new year's resolutions. >> no, you're right. you said it was okay if i didn't. >> i think it's okay if you do. >> people can believe what they want to believe. the latest thing on drugs today in the huffington post is now another research group says if clouds are going to react differently so it's going to be worse than they've thought. so they've ratcheted up the
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models. but they're going after the year 2100 for when it's going to be bad and they've got a new number for how much heat is going to have gone up. and they're fully comfortable with their model and predicting 2100. and no one questions, we've never been able to predict the futures. it's been very difficult to do that. >> did i hear yao new year's resolution? >> my new year's resolution, people can believe that they want. i'm not an evangelist. but my list of worries that are front and center, global warning is -- >> but your new year's resolution is anybody can believe anything they want and you're not going to argue with them about it. but does that work? >> as far as me, that's one of the least prioritized worry that i have is global warming and carbon, co2.
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>> i like the new year's resolution. >> you do? >> so people can go wild. but as years go by, unless it starts happening, please don't put the "new york times" lead story. we've got the 401 parts per million, 402 parts per million. >> i think you're risking your new year's resolution. >> i am? all right. sorry. let's talk about the next story. philanthropy made a come back in 2013 been the nation's wealthiest owners gave more than $3.4 billion to charity. that compares with just 11 of those gifts in 2012. the largest donation came from facebook go rounder mark sucker berg and his wife. the good news is this means that nonprofit organizations maybe can finally start to see some bit of a pick up. it's been a long, hard slog going back to 2008. >> do we know what the silicone
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valley foundation does? >> no. but he's very involved. i think he teaches. he taught a class at an elementary school or a high school there. he's been very involved in the community. >> did you see michelle's piece? >> which one? >> caruso cabrera that she did for us on tuesday. it was the lead story in the daily news yesterday. >> oh, on the pope. yes. front page. and the new york post talked about it. becky, i don't know if you -- >> i saw the story, actually, yes. >> but what they failed to -- the only comments that they quoted the pope on, andrew, were not the one that we read here, which go into a criticism of free market -- >> oh, you know, the daily mix made it sound ridiculous. they're talking about saying almost they're pushing socialism
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as a means to an end to make a more fair world. i don't want to weight in on whether the pope is infallible or not. but the whole infallible question tore me says -- >> it's different than when he says he's speaking with infallibility. >> i know that. but in this case, he's not infallible, because he's dead wrong on what he said about the free markets. >> new year's resolution. >> is deblasio catholic? >> i don't know. and i'm treading into an area that i don't know. by the bible -- did you see that? >> yes. >> where is it? i don't know. >> did you see anyone lurking around hymn when -- >> he saw it afterwards. >> he's a tall man because clinton looked short. >> he is a tall man. >> he's kind of a handsome -- >> he has presence. >> he certainly does. i would like to see him next to
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bloomberg. that would -- anyway. i saw "the hobbit," by the way. >> me, too. >> it was awesome, didn't you think? >> i loved it. loved it, loved it. >> how do you go from bloomberg to the hobbit? >> i don't know. i don't know where that connection was. does he have furry feet, do you know? >> i don't know. i don't know. ford is planning to unveil a solar powered concept car. this car is going to offer the same performance as a plug-in hybrid would, but without the need for the plug. the automaker says the vehicle's combined city mileage is 1100 miles a gallon. when it's dark for many months out of the year, might not be as effective. >> this is awesome. >> what goes 1100 miles. >> it doesn't go 100 mriels, it
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gets 100 mriels to the gallon. >> if you don't want to plug it in, the whole thing is done by solar. remember if you have a magnifying glass and the sun comes through, you can burn something? that's what they've done. they put a special magnifying glass on top of the solar which focuses the rays on the sun and makes double, triple, whatever the magnifying glass says. >> it should have a range of ksh this -- which is a concept car, right? >> it doesn't say when it actually -- >> there are cars that have turned in and gone from concept cars to real cars all the time. >> we'll see. >> you're not a buyer? >> i'm sure it's going to be real expensive. ford says a full day of sunshine is equivalent to a full day of battery charge.
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so you can't park it in the garage, either. no. you have to keep it outside. once again, you don't have a can a. >> you're whole foods market. you'll be taking a chopper over to pick up the -- what is that, tried seaweed you eat? >> yeah. it's getting gross. i've stopped eating that. >> what did that dried seaweed taste like? >> i -- i -- >> what was the point of that? >> very salty. >> just eat salt. you need a salt lick. when we come back, we'll talk about repeating the success of 2013. first, take a look at yesterday is winners and losers. [ male announcer ] this is the story
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welcome back, everybody. the markets closing out the year at record levels. our next guest says investors should resolve to focus more on risk management and less on chasing stocks that have made huge gains. joining us right now is rich steinberg of steinberg global asset management. rich, when you say this is a different year when you start looking at risks, what do you think? >> well, when you've had such a big move like this, sometimes complacency can take place. i think it's important for investors to understand why they're investing, becky.
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so i think the outcome is as important as the punch marks are. so people have to realize, what does an endousement need to spend? make sure the allocation is correct. and despite what happens on the benchmarks, make sure that their risk is aligned with where they're going to be. >> is that an argument for getting back into bonds? >> i don't think it's time to get back into bonds yesterday at all. when people re allocaallocate, are readjusting their risk, they can stay on the short end or i know it's a dirty word, but having some extra cash around. i don't think bonds come into play until the ten-year goes up to, let's say, 4%. which is where the risk profile of people using money to spend for either lifestyle, like i said, gets to be more important. the rule used to be spend 5% of your principal if you're an endowment. that's when they're down to 4%.
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i don't think it's -- i don't think it's a place to be in bonds. we don't see the ten-year going above 3.5% this year. so you'll have negative returns in bonds again this year. >> rich, we were just talking about a story in the "wall street journal" earlier this week that pointed out that 2013 was the year of the index funds. if you were in a base index and tracking the stock market, you did really, really well. do you think that doesn't hold true in 2014? >> i think the indexes will do fine this year. we have a target for the s&p of around 1936. we have borrowed from peter to pay paul i think at the end of this year. but i think within our firm, we run individual equity portfolios. i think 2013 will be the year of the stock picker. >> so what kind of stocks would you be picking? what kind of sectors do you think will perform well let's say in the first half of 2014? >> i just had some broad sector looks. technology looks good.
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could be high double -- i'm single returns in technology and energy looks oak. health care looks good. consumer names look overvalued. dividends had a fantastic year this year, probably a little bit too much. so i think we'll get back to normalized returns and dividend plays of 7%, 8% on return. i think those are names you can look at. we probably would avoid materials, we would avoid utilities or underwaitd utilities. and i think you could make money in industrials. everybody is talking about that industrial shift, but when we return the broad look, industrials are trading at 15 or 16 times next year's earnings. >> thank you very much. great talking to you. coming, another fugitive featured on cnbc's american greed. they've been captured. >> you're kidding me. >> yep.
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welcome back to "squawk box." earlier this week, a stop for a vehicle and traffic violation on interstate 95 in southern georgia led to the arrest of
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47-year-old aubrey lee price. the reason we care about this is aubrey lee price, a former bank director, had been wanted by the fbi in connection with a multi million dollar investment scheme. also happened to be featured on a american greed. the fbi had long suspected that price was still alive. price is scheduled to appear before a federal judge in brunswick, georgia, today. he's the third person featured on "american greed" to be captured. >> now, this guy actually would be -- >> more interested in the stocks. >> yeah. they thought he was dead, he fell off a ferry. anyway, coming up, the team is back together. we're kicking off a new year with a visit to the chairs. who will win the microsoft dr eo
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sweepstakes? that's first prize. second prize is you get to be a ceo all along. would you want that job? i'd be afraid. that's coming in the next hour. >> announcer: we give you three hours of joe, becky and andrew like every day. what are they like off the air? find out what questions becky gets asked most often, numbers. aflac! aflac! got 'em. ♪ yeah, he's clean, boss. now listen to me, duck. i have an associate that met with, uh, an unfortunate accident. while he's been incapacitated, somebody's been paying him cash.
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my alarm is officially set for 3:47 a.m. because 3:45 feels a little too early. your day starts early, but i don't think there's a working mom out there who doesn't get short changed by sleep. i've had people ask me, is joe's hair real? they'll ask, what is warren buffett like? when you sit down, what you see on camera isn't some folksy routine. that's really him. >> you have to know what's real and what's not. that's what you get when you come to squawk. >> beautiful. >> yes. >> i've never seen it. i'm almost going to cry. >> i am. >> this is our new campaign which is going to feature all of us and the people have "squawk on the street," as well. this is the first time anyone has seen any of thises and that was becky's. but you can see family life.
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you are with your beautiful little boys. >> but then you're also -- you've got the monolith. sorkin is talking to the big hitters, too. >> i think we cut that out. >> you're in with jeeves doing some work. >> we're doing some work with jeeves in the car. >> with mine, i have my shirt off. >> you have your shirt off. >> in a swimming pool. but it's just above -- there's no moobs. nothing can be seen. >> but i have to say, this is great. i love the whole campaign. >> we're at my house in the backyard when i'm leaving in the morning. and i'm letting the dogs out. >> i love your driver's license. >> my driver's license, scott and blake. the significant other would not appear and neither -- right? she had to talk to her agent and there were fees involved.
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>> and your little man is not there, either. >> single parents, but it's -- they're very personal and they're going to be running for a while, i think, and they're well done. >> now, i haven't seen anybody from "squawk on the street" yet. >> i am, too. i've heard some things. >> cramer, call on the commercial. >> faber. >> swimming. >> faber is swimming. >> apparently -- i've got a big, long suit. i think faber might go -- his whole body is waxed, too, because he's a big time swimmer. >> i ran into him in the pool one time. i was telling him the other day. i was pregnant. likes six or seven months pregnant. >> did he have vaseline all over his entire body? >> no. i didn't even notice what he looked like. i was mortified running into somebody when you're six months pregnant in the pool from work. >> oh, when you were -- >> yeah. i was like, oh, my gosh. >> yeah. i'm not -- i don't comment on
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pregnancies. anyway, so deblas, did you see that every paper made a big deal about whether this is a metaphor for the country and whether it ushers in a new era of liberalism and it will be a test tup in new york city to see if it can be pulled off. >> it was interesting to see bill clinton there and hillary there and what that means for 2016 if they're trying to get on this bandwagon whether you think things are moving left. it's a little too left for me. i want to be clear on that since i know sometimes you -- >> obama came over here .now new york is all the way -- you wonder how the pendulum swings. >> i wonder how far it does swing. he talked a lot about raising taxes on the wealthy and he's going to need albany and other people to do that. i'm not sure that they
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ultimately will. >> and there's just unforeseen things like, remember, bloom boe berg with the snow a couple of years ago. it's going to snow today. when you mess that up if you're in new york in the snow and a week after it's come and if the garbage is still there, you can mess this up. it can't just be about changing something for the positive. he's never been a manager of anything. >> no. but i think the big issue is schools. schools and terrorism and -- >> look how hard mayor bloomberg worked on the schools. mixed reviews. >> but i would argue on safety. a big win. >> in terms of crime. >> but an issue because of -- >> what happened with -- >> hold on. over the past year, it's been -- >> but giuliani gets some credit for it, as well. >> right. >> about 2500 murders 20 years ago and we're down to a records low of 300 and some. >> i think history will look
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fondly upon -- i think new york changed more in those 12 years and the impact will last. >> for a lot of different reasons. >> but the economy. >> the corporate guys, the corporate studio. >> he ran a company and he welcomed the private sector. >> job creation turned faster than average in new york city. >> he was a new york republic. >> manhattan republican, which is like a texas socialist. >> not red enough for you, right? >> i'm happy to thank him for his service, joe. when we come back, fiat buys a stake in chrysler that it doesn't already own. and we upped the ante in gaming. also, our guest host today is former treasury deputy secretary neal wollen. we have a lot of topics to talk about for the new year. everything from the debt ceiling to iran's nuclear weapons program. "squawk box" will be right back. ♪
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"squawk box" kicking off 2014. today's guest host, former treasury department undersecretary kneunder secretary neal woolen. what will the economy hold? plus the biggest ceo shoes to fill in the new year. who will replace steve balmer as the head of microsoft? management guru jeff summerfeld checks the short list. and do you feel lucky? the president and coo of borgata hotel and casino will give us fresh odds for success in 2014. get ready to roll the dice. "squawk box" begins right now.
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good morning and welcome back to "squawk box". welcome to 2014. i'm andrew ross sorkin along with joe cornyn and becky question. we do have some red arrows after many days of green arrows.corny question. we do have some red arrows after many days of green arrows. >> 43 last time. >> it's gotten a little bit better. we will see where things stand around 9:30 when things open. weren't seen losses for the year's first trading session since 2008. and as the first five days of the year go, the rest of the year supposedly goes. >> first five days, not the first week? >> it's usually five days.
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thursday, friday, monday, tuesday, wednesday or next week? >> i think it's the first five days. but take a look at the ten year just to see how that is working. we're over three. so take whatever you want away from that. we also have some headlines for you this morning. here is one indication of the brand new year. a rally for gold. the metal advancing this morning after suffering its biggest annual loss in 32 years in 2013. today's rally comes after gold touched its lowest price in six months. also girls continue to look into the causes of this week's train explosion in north dakota. the train carrying crude oil from the state's bakken shale excollided after colliding with another train. authorities are considering the possibility that the fires were caused by additives or possible mislabeling of the products being carried. >> and the northeast bracing for a severe storm, we saw a little bit of snow on the way to work
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this morning. heavy snow expected to begin falling this afternoon with accumulations of a foot or more in some areas. forecasters saying the storm will be accompanied by extremely frigid temperatures. and we have a live report from the weather channel in just a couple minutes. >> i'm looking it up. mark holberg says it's the first five days, but he also says you shouldn't pay much attention to it. >> 85% of the time you have a massive up year, the next year is still up, but only up about 7%. and that was over a 50 some odd years that that math actually holds up. >> we didn't see -- not much of a january effect where people are buy being the stocks that they sold that they had losses on last year. you know how people always do that. but i would say gold is showing its own january effect temperature anyone who didn't take capital losses at the end of the year, every had capital losses in gold. you take them, maybe -- so today
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you buy just because you're no longer taking capital losses. so people were selling into the end of the year. now it's up 15. i would not say that suddenly that means gold is going back up again. because people that have been selling because of the tax loss situation would -- i don't know. what was the other thing? oh, yeah. 7%? no, i'm looking for 30% again. >> another 30%? >> kre. yes. it's wishful. i'm not saying it's going to happen. >> i'll say 11%. >> i'll take 30 %. >> sure. i don't know de blasio would take 30%. >> that would just make things worse. nobody needs that. these rich people getting richer, are you kidding me? that's the last thing we need is prosperity with those fat cats again. >> so good to be back. >> we also down graded you to undersecretary instead of deputy
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secretary. >> that's okay. it's happened before. >> we'll talk to him more in a moment, but among some of our top corporate stories this morning, it is truly a happy new year for fiat. the company announcing that it has bought the remaining stake in chrysler. phil lebeau has more from chicago. this comes as a little bit of a surprise. >> some were thinking that there might be an ipo for that 41% stake of chrysler and actually it was only going to be a 17% stake of chrysler, but almost everybody in the industry was saying that wasn't going to happen. sergio was going to get his deal and he did. here is the deal that fiat has struck with the viva trust which is the health care retiree trust for the uaw workers. the price 3.3 billion. the other half coming from kisler. it will be paid to the veba trust in four installments. fiat gets the remaining 41.5 stake of chrysler and the deal ends plans for an ipo that were
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being considered. they may have an ipo somewhere down the road. we'll talk about that in a little bit. this gives fiat complete ownership of chrysler. they want the chrysler cash flow to help with fiat restructuring and expansion into europe and asia. after the deal was announced yesterday, search i don't said in the life of every major organization and its people there, are defining moments that go down in history books. for fiat and chrysler, this is clearly one of those moments. you might say what does the veba trust get out of this which sides from the critical cash it needs. it also has agreed to further commitments for supporting fiat and chrysler in terms of world class manufacturing, getting them all on the same page. this deal is expected to close by january 20th. take a look at shares of fiat over the last year, up 62%
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enjoying a nice move along with the rest of the auto sector around the world. and we mentioned about the ipo. nobody thought that that ipo that was being proposed by the veba trust was ever going to fly. i talked with one banker about two weeks ago, he chuckled at the idea of this ipo ever coming to the market. what we could see, maybe a couple years down the road, is some type of an ipo where a portion of chrysler is brought to the public market to further fund expansions for fiat and chrysler. of course they won't be talking about that right now. for now, all they're talking about is the cash flow coming in to fiat and how much it will help both with fiat's restructuring as well as the expansion of chrysler. back to you. >> all right, phil lebeau, happy new year. >> you, too. >> you didn't go to that game yesterday, did you, the winter classic? were you you nearby? >> no. we're getting a nice dose of that snow that they got. and you're getting it soon.
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>> that was so cool. >> absolutely. >> 105,000 people. i mean, it was really cool. and they had to keep shoveling the ice. >> and we get one of those outdoor games here at soldier field. >> i can't believe i sat there watching this whole -- unbelievable game. ended in a shoot-out. >> it was a really big deal for detroit, too. >> well, it was in ann arbor. but 105,000 people and snowing the entire time. great. anyway, phil lebeau, i think of you as like a canadian. i guess it's the name or something. because you go away a lot and -- >> oh, don't you know. >> see? comes so natural to you. anyway, see you, phil. thanks. 2013 was a year of highs and lows on capitol hill from a government shutdown to a budget deal, so here we are just two days in to 2014 already facing another debt ceiling in a little
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more than a month. what can we expect out of congress in the new year? joining us this morning is former deputy u.s. treasury secretary under tim geithner and for a while -- how long? regular treasury secretary briefly. >> about 40 days i was acting treasury secretary. >> and during that time, didn't you say that a strong dollar was something that was in our best interests? >> yeah, huge polly icy on that point. >> can i find a dollar bill with your name on it? >> you cannot. >> darn it. >> but if you take one out, i'm happy to sign it for you. >> give me your feeling when the deal was done between paul ryan and patty murray. were you happy, did you think -- was it a watershed moment? or was it just the best we could expect? >> i think it was a nice piece of work. itle rod back the sequester for a couple years which i think is important in terms of making sure we don't have too much fiscal drag on our economy. ic it was nice that it showed at
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important moments the democrats and republicans can work together.it was nice that it sh important moments the democrats and republicans can work together.t was nice that it sho important moments the democrats and republicans can work together.t was nice that it sho important moments the democrats and republicans can work together.it was nice that it sh important moments the democrats and republicans can work together. i don't think it portends a big moment, that everything will be hunky dory on capitol hill in 2014. but it was important and congress now needs before january 15th to pass appropriations bill so that the government does not shut down. so the budget framework that was agreed and that the president signed right before christmas that applies to this fiscal year and then next fiscal year, that is to say through the end of september 2015 now needs to be transformed in to actual appropriations legislation so the government doesn't shut down. apart from that we're about to hit another debt ceiling problem. >> it was a rough year 2013 for washington. >> it was. >> for congress, but also a very rough year for the president. now, people are trying to figure
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out which way he goes here in 2014. some have said that putting podesta in means that he has no interest in working with congress. i think podesta made some jonestown reference which he apologipolapologized for later. but they're saying now it will be all executive action. anything he wants to do now will be executive action. do you foresee that or do you think he will reach across the aisle and try to get along with some of the people that he clearly is not that big a fan of? >> i think the president wants to reach across the aisle and do some things that for years and years have been bipartisan items. infrastructure, education, unemployment insurance, making are issue we don't have a debt limit crisis. those are all things that for years, for generations in fact have been bipartisan items in washington. the president has laid out a set of things in each of those categories that he thinks that would be good for the the country in the near term and important for our economy over the longer haul. and i think he's asked republicans to work with him on those items. immigration, as well. >> but with him and what they see as a weakened state after
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last year, they're going to be very hesitant to cooperate on anything he wants to do at this point, don't you think? >> well, we'll see. speaker boehner took a different tone a little bit before christmas. the papers are talking about how he might be open to some progress on immigration reform. i think the republicans will have to decide what is good politics for them and from my perspective, i think from the administration's perspective, saying no to infrastructure and education and unemployment insurance, no to immigration is horrible for the country. >> they might just step back and let obamacare play out. is it 2014, is that the congressional election? >> every two years, joe. >> is that going to happen this november? >> it is. >> so now it's this year. >> and that's when 2016 already starts. >> i must say, it can't be that a party in the united states, one of the two big parties, is
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only about something -- only against something and not for a southwest things that are important for the country. >> unless they see the current agenda as us slipping and sliding into a european style welfare state and would like to stop that. that might be what some are thinking. >> but the deficits in this country, our government spending is at its lowest percentage of the economy since the eisenhower administration. i don't think that assertion has much merit. >> sbha your take on de blasio? and to the september that he represents some larger vision of the democrats, the extent that you think that bill clinton, hillary clinton are trying to line up behind him or with him. what does that mean for the way things are governed frankly in washington? >> de blasio made the point that this country has suffered from increased level of inequality. and that's not good for anybody. so it's not about class warfare,
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not pinning some vthis versus t but it is saying in order for the country to grow and to be the country of opportunity, we have to make sure that the people who are in the worst off positions are attended to. and that's about unemployment insurance and about other things that are critical. >> those are temporary measures. i wonder sometimes if that takes the focus off the bigger structural problems that need to be corrected to address some of those very things. there are some long term structural issues that haven't been tackled and that are really big tough problems. >> education, job training. making sure that our workers -- >> manufacturing jobs. >> absolutely. >> we hear this -- i think it's kind of a trite expression. it brings us back to the chicken/egg argument. how do you grow from the middle out? you need to get people in the middle class jobs. you need a vibrant private sector and you need 4 will%
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growth and then it starts working. you don't start by saying let's take what these people have and move it over. >> we may talk about this later in terms of unemployment insurance, but the best way to make sure that we do get to that 4% growth and creating jobs is to make sure people are consuming things that cause businesses to invest and hire. >> but that's a job. >> both of those things need to happen at once. this is not an either/or. when you have people who conditions consume, who conditions buy things, it means that we're not investing, businesses are not growing or hiring in order to fulfill that demand. >> so we have to figure out why they aren't doing those things. and it comes to tax reform and regulation. >> no question. all of those things. >> a lot more to talk about. and he'll be with us for the next hour and 45 minutes. when we come back, the snow has started to fall in the northeast. blizzard-like conditions expected with as much as a foot
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welcome back. up to 40 billion people are bracing for a major storm today. alex wallace joins us from the weather channel. >> no doubt about it, a major storm system to impact us. we'll be dealing with this over the next 24 to 36 hours. big time impacts will be felt,
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potential blizzard conditions for parts of the northeast including the cape down towards long islands, as well. not for the big cities boston and new york, but certainly piling up with the snow and it will be windy making travel a big mess out there for us. and you can see how things will be fairing. this is the forecast around boston for the next few days. thursday into friday, 20s. 13 by friday with the snow. we're talking about issues here, snow totals a foot to a foot and a half. so we'll be dig out of this. at least for the weekend, we'll ebb enjoying dryer skies. next week, we'll deal with rain and then another blast of really cold air. so we're in the heart of winter. doesn't seem to want to go anywhere anytime soon. back to you. >> minus 3? for real? >> get your canada good coat out. it's that bad. coming up, who will be responsible for bringing microsoft to the next level?
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the search for microsoft's next
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ceo continues. it will probably be one of the big topics in 2014. joining us you now, associate dean for executive programs at the yale school of management. also a cnbc contribute tore. happy new year, sir. >> happy new year to you you. >> so who do you like? give us your short list if you were whispering into the ear of bill gates. >> some people might be whispering michael bloomberg's name as he's probably looking for somewhere to go. but i think john lajaris is doing a super job. he knows the southeast. he's acting a little creatively unconventional these days revving up things at t-mobile, but i think alan mulally should be the frontrunner. there are internal people
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that -- steven eilhoff gets rumored, the nokia guy, but performance there was just terrible. revenues were down 40%, profits down 90%, they became junk bond status. so i don't see that. tony bates, ceo of skype, i don't think is quite ready for this. i think mulally has been revolutionary at ford. sort of the one ford idea that he brought in about unifying the place is just what microsoft would need. he's an engineer's engineer. people everywhere from steve balmer to some of the top r&d people at microsoft love alan mulally. >> but how much do you need a revolutionary? rather than squaus a manager. i don't mean to say alan mulally is just a manager, but to the extent you want soalmost a
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technologist. i'm just suggesting whether you need that or you need a professional manager who will whip this company into shape in a different way. >> well, i don't think they need somebody to come into give them pets.com or any of the e toys or whatever else is out there. my space. we've had some young people that have been quite revolutionary and things went nowhere. i think somebody who has taken on an enterprise this size, i worked with digital equipment when it was this size and they needed somebody to stale liz e e stabilize the place. they need somebody who can bring in i think some sense of coordination.the place. they need somebody who can bring in i think some sense of coordination.place. they need somebody who can bring in i think some sense of coordination. they have very creative people. xbox did quite well. nobody has generated the profits for owners that balmer has.
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i think the market has been a little odd when you have things like bit net going up and down by 50% a day. who knows how to he had radio the stock market. but everyone the stock is up 40%. >> will steve balmer go down when historians write about microsoft, will they look upon him fondly, is it a ten year mistake? >> i think he'll be recorded very positively in history. he took a company that was basically software in the box driven and revolutionized that. took this big business and changed the battleship's direction basically to go on to services and devices. it has been hard to pull off and he's heavily there. moses never quite got to the promised land. joshua had to get them there. and steve balmer has done a comprehend job of taking this company quite a long way. products have been very successful. there are many failures under bill gates, but things have been going quite well. mulally is the guy to develop an
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internal success sore and wouer or deal. >> thanks very much. we'll talk to you soon. still to come, the garden state scandal on internet gaming. it's been more than a month since new jersey went live. how the casino is cashing in. and check out times square. the new york city area getting ready for a winter blast. welcome back. how is everything?
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welcome back. here are some of your top stories. signing an agreement to buy the stake in chrysler it doesn't already own. they will acquire the 41% stake from a retiring health care trust. $3.7 billion in cash. once that deal closes, chrysler has committed to give the trust an additional $700 million. the big story this morning, the snow starting to fall on the east coast. a major storm from the midwest
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to new england expected to go on until friday afternoon. estimates for snowfall amounts could top more than a foot in some regions. so it could be an interesting commute tomorrow morning if not tonight by the way. and then the rescue of passengers from a ship stranded in ice for more than a week is now under way. a helicopter from a chinese ice breaker is transporting the 52 scientists and tourists on board to a nearby australian vessel. they have been trapped since christmas eve. the crew will remain on board after the passengers are evacuated. cara swisher is launching a new media company. rec reco.net is being launched. windsor is an investment firm. the holding company is revere digital and signing a separate
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deal with nbc news to partner on technology coverage. it takes effect today and they will be appearing on cnbc later this morning on "squawk on the street" to talk about it. let's look to fixed income for a moment. it may have fallen flat in 2013, but the taper news could change the bond landscape in a big way. let's get more on how to play the bond space and where rates may be headed from here. joins us is president of fixed income capital markets at raymond james. and kevin, is it hard to find might be who positions rates are going down at this point? >> yeah, at this point it really is. we're looking towards 2014 and here we are in 2014 with the likelihood of rates going up and down the curve. mostly going to focus on the long end as the fed tapers and quits buying on the long end. so while rates will probably be stale on the short end, we're being looking for a slight move upward on the long he said of the market. >> so what does that mean as an
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investor? is this the time to buy? we spoke with someone the last hour who said that he wouldn't nicely buy treasury this is year. wait up they got to at least 4%. >> and i'm not sure you'll get 4% in 2014. really what the local idea behind qe was to get investors out of treasuries and into more riskier assets. whether those be equities or corporate bonds or even municipal bonds. so that has done what it's supposed to do. what we're looking for is a fairly slow olympic in rat fair fairly slow increase in rates. there nothing magic about 6.5% unemployment and they're worried about inflation, not increasing, but the lack of inflation. so as long as that remains low, bonds will have a slow ride up. >> our guest host is neal wolin. neal, you have to have been watching what the fed said in terms of the takeover. what did you think of the whole policy change? >> i think they did what they have been saying for a long
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time, which is they have been watching the data. ic they feel like the economy is starting to move sufficiently quickly that they can start taking these moves. i think what is important to remember is it's not that they hit the braekes, they have just taken their foot off the accelerator. they will look at every bit of data that comes in between now and each fmoc meeting and decide whether that progressive relaxation is the right thing to continue with. i think they have set out a basic framework for how they will do this and without that being perturbed by some exogenous thing, whether something seas or big weather events on a big catastrophe in washington, i think we see now a path that is likely to move incrementally and reasonably slowly in a very stroll controlled way. >> how well do you know january
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either yellen? >> i know her reasonably well. i knew her in the clinton administration and again when i was deputy treasury secretary and she was at the fed. >> and what do you think about her taking over the helm? >> she's a very smart, very talented woman. very thoughtful, very systemic. i think it's hard to position about what has been going on at the fed without her having a strong involvement. and i think she's kind of extra our ordinarily well qualified. if you think about her tenure at the fed before, president of the san francisco fed, world class economist, i think she's incredibly well positioned to work through a very complicated set of issues. >> dunk it's fair to say she's more dovish than ben better in an iky or do they see the world very similarly? >> i think they see the world in broadly similar ways. maybe little increments here or there.
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but i think what we've seen over the last year or two at the fed absolutely reflects her will input. and you can see the level to which she's been publicly stating she's comfortable with it. i think what that is likely to mean, there won't be a big veer. there is a path that she feels strongly about. >> i'm trying to figure out what the ten year will key off of. is it -- will it move if the economy strengthens, will that cause to go up? or will it be the historical turn versus inflation? will inflation have to go up for it to go up above 3, or is it possible that just by xiting that people get nervous with the fed, they have a huge balance -- what if nobody wants to buy our paper because they're just -- they look at our long term obligations, china says we won't
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buy that. and it's a supply/demand thing. without the fed buying 90% of our debt, maybe there is no one there to buy it. which of those three scenarios causes rates to go up? >> they're all good questions. what i would say is that the taper will have some effect as the fed reduces their buying of ten years, it will affect the market in a certain way. now, that alone wouldn't drive the ten year above 3.5%. it has to be combined with -- mostly it's economic growth and more importantly, to get towards 4%, it has to be inflation. so you have to take all the slack out of this. so it's somewhat of a boring trend between 3% and 3.5% at the max. unless inflation surges. >> all right.
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>> so where would you be telling people to invest right now? >> call me crazy, but i still like the municipal bond market a lot mainly because of the after tax yields. there has been a lot of news about state and county municipal credits that will yield 100 to 150 basis points over the treasury without much credit risk. if you're in a 35 a% tax bracket. so whether you're a high earner or a high net worth investor, i still like high quality municipal bonds. >> but you feel comfortable with the aa rating? you think that it's worth the paper it's printed on? >> absolutely. >> thank you. this has nothing to do where you you with the "new york times". normally i try to tie you to it, but i wouldn't. i want to give kudos to the "new york times" just in that -- at least we know where they stand now on things.
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they have come out of the closet. they had to eventually. they say certain things, but did you see this, snowden is now -- they're calling him a whistleblower. considering the value of his leaks. he should be offered clemens city. so they are -- they're saying what they sort of implied all along with their front page coverage, but they're just coming out and saying it right now. and that is a stand. this is a very divisive issue. is he someone that is a traitor and should go to jail? even the president and the obama administration still says no way clemency. if he comes back, he'll be prosecuted. the "times" is going out on a big hlimb. so maybe 2014 will usher in a new era of transparency at the
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"new york times". and i'm not saying anything to you about this. >> i'm not going to say anything either since i had nothing to do with the editorial page nor the benghazi coverage or -- >> you don't agree with this? >> i don't have views at the moment. i have no views at all. i just have a low bottom any. >> but that is pretty big. >> it's unbelievable.bottom any. >> but that is pretty big. >> it's unbelievable. >> i just h-- >> is internet gambling paying off for new jersey? we'll get the first word. and if you gambled on gold in 2013, well, you lost your shirt. down 28%. worst year since 1980.
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welcome back. take a look at the futures. they have been a little below fair value all morning. you're still looking at the dow futures down by about 31 points. s&p 500 off by about 4 points. we'll talk about internet gambling in new jersey in a moment, but first check out some
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of the eye popping numbers. china sin city raked in $45 billion this revenue in 2013 to remain the world's biggest gambling market. according to gaming regulators, they took in $4.2 billion just in december alone. >> back on november 26, new jersey became the third state to allow online gambling. borgata is leading the charge. is the gamble paying off? a lot of gambling -- joining us is tom balance, president and chief operating officer for the borgata hotel casino and spa. how do we figure out -- is it good for you? you want people to come to the casino, right? >> it's been going great. borgata was uniquely positioned to be right at the forefront primarily because of the efforts of our managing partner. boyd's strategy is to engage in online gaming nationwide. so a lot of the foundation for our good success was already
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laid. we were hunting for a service provider when others were, we were all set up and go. >> but would a stand alone borgata have done it or would you have seen it as a threat to brick and mortar? >> we would have done it one way or the other. and it's not a threat to brick and mortar. some of the great news that has come out of the first month of operation is that when we match up databases, the great majority of players who were playing online have not been to borgata in well over a year. and the vast majority have made fewer than two trips in the past year. so it's a different customer. >> what is thedemographic? >> online customer is younger and more male. >> what about income? >> we don't know that yet. we only have a month worth of operation. >> because those that are anxious about this will suggest
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to you that this is a -- almost like a regressive tax, if you will, that that's what gambling ultimately becomes. like a lottery. >> i think online we actually have more controls than there are in brick and mortar. you don't extend credit online. you have to fund your account somehow. you have to fund it maybe through your checking account or through a credit card. and you've got credit card limits. and checking limits. we know every bet you're making online. there is no way to come into a casino and be unidentified. >> do you bet on football? >> no. >> what about betting on -- no sports? >> no, no sports about about. >> you can play other people online? >> yeah, poker is a peer to peer game. >> is that the most popular? >> yeah, you get more poker play than casino play generally speaking. and a lot of the poker players also cross over during their session. >> a lousy business for you? >> not online.
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b >> but in the actual casino. >> it has a lower margin, but we have about 51% of atlantic city market. poker is all about having enough players. your players are your liquidity. you don't bank the games. the other customers do. so borgata, we have most of the players and it makes for a good game. >> why can't i bet on sports? >> when new jersey wins its lawsuit where the federal government- >> i'm getting scared because when we do the final pour pools and stuff, whatever -- - >> i'm getting scared because when we do the final pour pools and stuff, whatever -- -- >> i'm getting scared because when we do the final pour pools and stuff, whatever -- i have the most minor interest in all 64 games and i watch every game like i was on the edge of my seat. if i was betting on games, i would love sports. now i'm nervous that i might do that and i donyi don't want to that. >> for the foreseeable future, it won't happen in new jersey. our governor is working hard on it. he's been great for this have i.
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and has been pushing and is doing everything possible. >> playoffs of course this weekend. >> a little soon for us. >> the governor has also said if atlantic city can't show that it makes a profit that it kicks back to the state that he'll look at potentially opening casinos. i think it's five years he'll look at opening casinos in places like the meadowlands. what would that mean for competition? >> that has always been an issue. atlantic city has lost a lot of share to convenience gaming. pennsylvania and new york. what the folks in atlantic city need to do is what we've done at the borgata. you have to build a product and provide a product and service that is worth driving 90 minutes for instead of driving 15 minutes. and it's up to us in the market to create that. now, we feel great about it. our first 11 months of this year, which is all we've
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disclosed so far, is up from 2012. that's only the second time revenue has been up in the last seven years. >> how much? >> we were up about 3% at the end of the 11 months. >> you get some big names. >> we have robin thicke coming, rob thomas coming, three doors down, jerry seinfeld is playing. that's what you do in atlantic city, you need to have a compelling experience or people will go to the place next door. >> you have suites and stuff, leak hangover type suites? >> if you need one, we've got one for you. >> thank you for the tip. >> over the holidays adds for online gaming, i can't keep them apart. is yours branded? >> well, actually, i think we'll be very successful. the early results -- only way really to tell right now is there is a webster advice that
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reportsonline poker traffic so the gamers know where the games are. and we have about 50% of the network. and i think that's primarily built on the power of our brand. it's built so that for ten years -- >> so some brands that you've never erd heard before. >> so they're work hard to build the brand. they're associating themselves with maybe professional sports team or celebrity. our celebrity is the borgata. that's what we have ourselves tied to. we've built a lot of trust. >> how many total people have been on the site gambling some more or less than obamacare? >> i think we've had i guess we've got some mid 20,000 accounts created. >> oh, about the same thing.
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>> you're trapped in october somehow. >> actually, they may actually know those 20,000 and make good on the transaction. anyway, thank you. appreciate it. >> thank you very much. >> i'm worried. because lottery i don't do, but this -- >> i can see you getting sucked in. >> bengals playing the chargers. >> if you want, i'll help you you set up an account. >> i need the sports bug. who do i have to talk to? christie? >> no, he's as committed to it as -- >> you have to talk to congress, joe. >> they won't listen. all right. thank you. when we come back, a lot of people are checking their 4 01 k statements to see if 2013 was a profitable year. but what if your investments missed the mark? will there be a second chance in 2014? we'll put that question to our market strategist. plus the director of the national economic council gene speaker link will be our special
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to taublk and waste time. and then it happened. so incredibly -- >> i wonder how you you got over the whole newsy clause. director called and said -- >> although what i wish i would have done was done like 50 pushups right before then because you can sort of get like a fake -- >> like the guys right before they go out in the weight room? >> yeah, 50 pushups would have been like ten sets, so it would take a while to do ten sets of five. but, yeah, because i take -- i swim with my son. >> i loved the pictures. and i really like the guitar. >> and there are three dogs. it's kind of sad. because you only saw two. pongo -- >> he's upset? >> well, he was below. he was there, you but you cooperate see him. >> needs a better agent.
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>> yours -- >> in the 8:00 hour. >> and we'll start running these. >> they will be on all the time. in the meantime, coming up, we'll talk about the first major deal of the new year. plus did you mits tyou miss the of 2013? you may still have a chance to recover. find out how next. also jobless benefits expiring last saturday for more than one million americans. gene sperling will talk to us about the upcoming debate on capitol hill. ♪
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the new trading year is upon us. 2013 was the year of the bull. but what if you missed out? we're going to check out the second-chance strategy. the first major battle for capitol hill. national economic director gene sperling on long-term jobless benefits. and the first major deal of the new year, say hello to the new yahoo! family. fiat scooping up the rest of chrysler. >> this is literally 350 times more powerful than you. >> as "squawk box" begins right now.
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>> welcome back. welcome. and who is mclemore? thrift shop? welcome back, also on the new year's thing. i don't know who any of these people are. we're back. this is cnbc. we're doing business news and we're first worldwide out of all the different outlets. i'm joe kernen along with becky quick and andrew ross sorkin. our guest hosts this morning is neal wolen, former deputy treasury secretary. he was treasury secretary for 40 days and 40 nights? >> 40 days and -- >> it was while. >> and you -- we said you expressed strong dollars and -- >> absolutely. >> how long do you have to be to -- >> you have to be confirmed to -- you have to be confirmed secretary. >> do you have a loopy loopy
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loopy thing you have to change? >> the jack lew -- >> no. >> mine is unintelligible, but in a different way. >> like some of the policies. i'm sorry. more from neal in just a second. first, though, becky has a roundup of this morning's top stories. >> joe, thank you. fiat signing an agreement to buy a stake in chrysler that it doesn't already own. the italian carmaker is going to acquire the roughly 41% stake from the uaw for $4.3 billion in cash. once that deal closes, chrysler has committed to giving the trust $7 million. this ends months of negotiations and let's sergio combine the two automaker's resources. also, ford plans to unveil a solar powered concept car. the automaticmaker says the
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vehicle's combined city/mileage is about 100 miles a gallon. right now, dow futures down by about 43 points below s&p. the s&p is off by just over 4.5 points. corporate buzz this morning, walmart now recalling donkey meat after tests show the product contains the dna of other animals. earlier, it was said the product contained fox meat. the story gets weirder and weirder. >> the scandal was not that it was donkey meat. you were trying to buy donkey meat. that was what you ordered. >> what does the fox say? the scandal could hurt walmart's reputation for quality in china's $1 trillion food and grocery market. walmart plans to open 110 new stores there in the next few years. >> do you want donkey? that's the bottom line of it. >> i want donkey, i just want to
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be clear. >> are there donkey dishes? >> i don't know. i don't know. >> are we doing elephants or donkeys? i'm just trying to understand. >> oh, in that context we call them [ expletive ], don't we? >> we have some breaking news for you this morning. macy's and martha stewart living, they have finally resolved that ongoing breach of contract dispute. you will recall it. this has to do originally with jcpenney and ron johnson and martha stewart. terms of the settlement weren't disclosed and will not be disclosed. macy's says the financial asset won't be material to its -- >> wait a minute, macy's had to pay them? >> no, no, i believe that they're not -- >> it's not going to be material to add to the earnings? >> i'm assuming martha stewart is having to pay them. that's my gamble here. but they're saying whatever number that is is not material. and they say they look forward to continued successful
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partnership with martha stewart. i think that's tough. although it adds that this does not affect a continuing case against jcpenney. this is one piece of the pie. penney's and macy's were in dispute about the marketing of goods made by stewart's company. with markets continuing to make new highs, is it too late for investors that remain on the sidelines in 2013? it's always a tough question. can they still get in now in 2014? here now with us, alec young, global equity strategist at s&p capital i.q. and christina hooper, u.s. investment strategist and head up u.s. capital markets research strategy at allianz global investors. one thing we need to learn over and over again, i think, as investors, if you marry your losses, you never sell and if you don't get in when you think it's too expensive, like a year ago, can you get in now, alec? what would you tell somebody
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that missed 2013? >> yeah. you missed a lot if you missed 2013. that's the problem. if you missed 2012, too, you missed 41%. would you tell people to -- >> no, it's uninvested, no money in the market. i wouldn't tell them to get fully invested today. i think the best you could tell someone in that position is to take a dollar averaging approach. we think we're going to get a correction this year. we haven't had a correction since 2011. what do you think? >> 10%. >> 10%. >> you say 20% or 10%? >> correction is 10% to 20%. more than 20% is a bear. less is pullback. >> you get over 10%, but less than 20%? >> i think we're going to get a correction. i'm not that smart to know -- it might be more than 20%. i don't know if it will be more than 20% or not. most years, the s&p will be down at some point from where it started about 6% or 7%. the last two years, we haven't seen that. the market was never below where it was in the first of the year. >> but now would you say forget
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it, sell a bunch of it get out before the correction? >> you set up with someone who missed the whole thing. someone who is fully invested, i would say stay the course. most of it is probably in a 401(k). most people in the markets, a 401(k) or an i.r.a. con textexc. that's money they're not going to need. >> but should they move it somewhere else? >> no. i think the reason they're in index funds is because they're cheap and most active funds don't beat the market. they're in the right place. >> so you don't know if you're going to be right. >> that's the dollar cost. if it's going down 10% to 20%, they shouldn't buy anything today. you're saying you don't know if they're going to be right? >> you never know. that's the whole idea. buy today? >> investors need to have exposure to risk assets in this environment. certainly if they don't have exposure, they need to be more selective about how they get that exposure. this is not going to be 2012 or 2013 in that the fed is not going to be supporting the stock
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market. we're now going to be segueing into fundamentals supporting the stock market. so i would argue that investors need to be more selective in this environment. focus more on active management solutions. focus more on specific areas of the market, for example, low valuation as well as those areas that can produce higher growth than the overall growth rate. >> it's going to be supportive. it's going to slowly taper and stay at zero until, you know, 2100 when apparently it's going to be 4,000 degrees here. they're going to stay easy all year long. what do you mean they're not supporting it? >> they're not going to be supporting it at the level they have been for the past few years. so there really will be a handoff. it will be gradual, but there will be a handoff from monetary policy supporting the stock market to fundamental supporting it. >> which could be good, though, because of what it means about the underlying economy, then. >> absolutely. this is the fed giving the economy a vote of confidence. >> so are you at, what, double digits? where are you for next year?
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do you think we'll be up? >> we think we'll be up next year. we think risk@assets will outperform nonrisk assets, but we wouldn't be surprised to see high single digit, low digit double returns. it's not going to be 2013. it might not be a correction. it might be slow going all year long. >> consensus can happen. not many people were looking for 30%. but normally it doesn't happen. how would it surprise us, being more or not being up? flat to down or up 20% or 30% would be the way the market would confound all of us, right? >> we believe the downside is flat. >> we believe it's down 10% to 20%? >> no, no, he's saying the down side -- you're saying -- >> are you and 20%? >> our year-end target is 11900. we're likely to have a correction. we generally have them every 18 months. we haven't had one in three years. >> 1900? that's -- that's at 1848 right
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now. we might as well stay in cash. >> we established it a couple months ago. >> oh, are you giving us old numbers? >> we put the -- what do you think now? >> early november. >> well, what do you think now? >> fill it with 1900. >> why not stay in cash? who needs 50 s&p points for all the risk? >> you have to keep in mind that, you know, every year inflation is eroding your money. you have to make 2% or 3% to stay ahead of that. you just made 32.5%. >> if you're going to be at 1900, i'm not staying in. and i listen to you, i do everything you say, if you get me out because i'm looking for -- what is that, 52 points on 1850? what is that? how much is that? 2% or 3%? >> but quarterback joe, can we -- >> why would you stay in the market for 3%? >> we are looking for a correction and from that level it would be a lot more -- >> oh, so -- >> today, after this huge move we've had, it doesn't look that great.
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but we're not going to be at today's level every day going forward. >> i was much nicer to you. >> thank you. >> is that gobbledy guck or what do you think? >> it's not just about this year. it's about -- >> are you going to say that next to me. >> it's about looking out longer term. investors are not going to be able to meet their long-term goals with current allocations. >> it's not just you. you see? you see what i mean? >> equal opportunity. >> yeah. equal opportunity. it's hard. it's hard to figure out what to do. do you remember who said that? s saturn. >> in a lot of way eggs, it's riskier being in cash than -- >> i want another 30%. i don't know whether it's going to happen. i want mid 90s. that's what i've been jonesing for for 30 some years.
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welcome back, everybody. long-term unemployment benefits expired last saturday for 1.3 million americans after congress failed to pass an extension. joining us to talk about the impact this could have on the economy is gene sperling, the assistant to the president for economic policy. gene, thank you for being here today. >> thanks for having us. >> what do you think this means? let's say, over the first six months of this new year? >> in terms of the economic impact of cutting off emergency unemployment benefits, i think what the congressional budget office has estimated is it would be about 0.2% of growth, about a fifth point percent of growth and about 200,000 jobs. so there's no question it's bad for the economy. but let's think about those 1.3 million workers and their family. they are now in an economy that is improving, the job market is
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improving, except for them, except for the people who are long-term unemployed. they are facing probably the toughest job situation we've seen in a long time. and we as a country have never cut off emergency unemployment benefits when long-term unemployment was this high. so to simply allow 1.3 million workers and their families to lose their benefits between christmas and new year's, really, is not -- does not reflect either economic common sense or our values. and over the course of the year, it will be 4.9 million people who will be affected. so i do want to make clear, emergency unemployment benefits should not go on forever. they taper off naturally as the unemployment rate goes down. what we're simply saying is this is not the time or the moment for the economy, for jobs, but certainly not for these families who are only eligible for these benefits if they are actively looking for work. >> yeah, gene, this probably points to a much bigger problem.
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you're right on the timing. but these were emergency benefits. they will roll down over time. i think more than anything, you look at the question of what happens to the people who are long-term unemployment. that's a lasting problem. anytime you have a big recession, you have the people, the longer they're out of work, the less likely they are to be the ones who get hired. is there a better way to go about helping them, too? >> i think this is not the only thing you can do. one thing you find is that people sometimes worry about the disincentives of unemployment benefits, but you do also find that the biggest problem or one of the great problems we have is people are long-term unemployed who drop out of the market. actually, emergency unemployment benefits encourages more people to stay in the market, in the job market because they lose those benefits if they're not actively looking for jobs. but this is a temporary lifeline for those people. while we, of course, the white house is going to point to the good news in the economy, the improvement in gdp and
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unemployment, we're not going to put a gloss over the problems americans are facing and be very clear, long-term unemployment is a more serious problem than it's been in decades and decades. we as a country are going to have to do more. one thing the president has had me doing is working with a lot of ceos around the country to make sure that we're all working together and that companies don't have unintentional screens that might discourage long-term unemployed workers for getting at least a chance for a new job. >> when you said that, we've never had long-term unemployment for this high for this long, it made me think that's very telling right there. you have the president's ear. some of the long-term stuff we need to do, you just talked about ceos and what you'd like them to do. how about some private sector stimulus with a corporate tax reform or bringing back some of the money abroad, new territorial system. how about some things like that on the front burner of this
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administration right now. you were in the clinton administration. you would probably be the first one to want to do this. are you getting resistance? >> you know, not at all. i mean, yes, we have to do -- we have to fight this at multiple levels. you need to make sure you're not cutting people's benefits off so they can't support their families while looking for work. you need to work with the private sector. but yes, you have to make job creation and getting greater demand in this economy a key goal is one of the reasons we fought to replace the sequester. but let me give you something the president said that deserves more attention this year than it goes when he said it. in chattanooga, the president said let's do a grand bargain on jobs. why not do together as one package corporate tax reform that would bring corporate tax rates to 28%, 25% for manufacturing, at the same time do it with a one-time passage of infrastructure. now, i have a lot of ceos that come into my office who say they want corporate tax reform, but they also think we should be modernizing infrastructure.
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that makes a lot of sense for job creation. it makes political sense. you could see democrats and republicans coming together on a grand bargain for jobs, corporate tax reform together with frinfrastructure. so how about "squawk box" making that their mission to get that grand bargain for jobs this year? >> private infrastructure for things, that would make sense. i don't know why we can't. >> yeah, what happens? that sounded very promising. what was it that held that up last year when it was introduced? >> you know, i think when the president spruintroduced it, th speaker came out and criticized it. i think it was a normal political back and forth. but i think you'll hear about this from the president again because it makes good political sense. we've had all the grand bargain discussion on deficit and reduction. we need some grand bargain discussion on jobs. as you said, in 1997, you know, you had that kind of grand bargain. the republicans got lower capital gains, bill clinton got more education. the children's health initiative. president obama has put forward
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that keep of grand bargain for job creation now and i think we need to give it a chance. >> gene, on the unemployment insurance, one other question. at what point would you say -- at what unemployment rate in the country would you say, you know, we don't need to do this? >> well, i think that the way it's designed right now is you get extra benefits if your state is over 9%. so if you're in rhode island or nevada, you get 9%, it needs to go on. you get extra benefits if it's under 7%. as the unemployment rate goes down, the way emergency unemployment is designed is that it tapers off to use a popular phrase right now. so, of course, this can't go on forever. we're just simply saying, 7% and historically high unemployment rates is not the moment to do this. we certainly hope it doesn't need to be extended beyond this year. but we definitely know it needs to be extended now.
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>> if we weren't down to 6% by the end of next year, and i'm not sure economists expect that will be the case, do you think there will be another argument again that we need to continue this? this is an issue about helping people who at some level need the help, right? that's the argument you're making and i'm just wondering sort of what's the data point on which you say maybe they don't. >> well, you know, i think you can look back historically. i can't predict what it's going to be like at the end of this year. i think, yes, as you start to get into the low 6% nationally, the case for that will be less strong. but i think we as a country are going to have to look for other policies like corporate tax reform and infrastructure to get more job demand. but probably some special partnerships with the private sector and the public sector to help people who have been out of the workforce for a long time. because we know if you've been unemployment for a year or two years and you keep staying out, you probably never recover. these are our neighbors, our community members.
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we need to work together to try to get people back in the workforce any way we can. it will make a big difference for them and their families but also for our long-term labor force. >> hey, gene, i just went back and looked up some of the things that were said about the president's proposal when he put that forth, the idea of simplifying the corporate tax structure and lowering the numbers to 25% and 28%. it was something the business round table didn't agree with at that point. john angler said all revenues from corporate base broadening measures should be applied to corporate rate reduction and modernizing our international tax system, not for unrelated spending. that looks like that's where the resistance comes from, too. >> yeah. but i think when people have understood the proposal, there's been more agreement. what we say, we say any long-term revenue that is permanent, that revenue would be used to lower rates. but corporate tax reform also brings in some one-time revenue that you can't use to lower rates in the long-term. that one time revenue could be
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for infrastructure and you could still have revenue neutral corporate tax reform that lowers rates in the long-term. look, it's a compromise, but it's a smart compromise and we have to compromise in divided government if we're going to move the economy, get more jobs, help get growth going and get more jobs for these long-term unemployed so they don't rely on emergency extended benefits. >> wow, with you've made some good resolutions, gene. that was a different gene today. he's got some good ideas here. >> all right. [ sneezes ]
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welcome back to "squawk box." we're just seconds away from weekly jobless claims. rick santelli is standing by at the cme in chicago. steve liesman at the desk in chicago. rick? >> the first initial jobless claims of the year actually dropped 2,000. but it's because of the revision. originally leased at 338, now at 341 for last week. that brings the 339 current read down to -- if we look at continuing claims, basically a one-week different time frame, moved a bit lower from 2.93 to 2.83 million. so a decent drop there. we're going to get ism data. happy new year at 303 on a ten-year. happy new year just shy of 4%.
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boy, haven't been able to say four in so long, it just doesn't feel right. we're going to continue to monitor that race. the only people that care about your interest rate is to see what it ultimately does to change, if any, the balance of the level of the economy and all that, whether it makes a difference or not, we're going to have to see if 2014 is going to be the litmus test for that. the dollar coming out of the chute strong. but you know what? my new year's eve resolution is it isn't necessarily if the dollar is week or strong. it's the fact that most of the developed economies whose currencies we benchmark in this tight swing pool relative value, they all have some issues. so it just seems to ping-pong back and forth. happy new year, everybody, at the desk. back to you. >> thank you, rick. for more on that data, we have steve liesman at the desk who has been making faces. >> i want to talk about what
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rick is saying. how much is real and how much is memorex when it comes to the market here. >> you've outdated yourself a lot. >> i know. and my kids don't even know what a cassette tape is. there's been a fundamental reset of what happens in 2013. when i keep reading about what people say about last year, they talk about the weak growth year. what the reality seems to be is that the third and fourth quarters seem to be up near 4% in the third quarter. and i just came in and looked at a forecast for the fourth quarter, and joe levonia says 4% for the fourth quarter. sh a second half year that is double what it was. what didn't happen in the fourth quarter is the inventories that did not seem to have run off could be in the first quarter of this year and the consumer has been strong maybe for two reasons. maybe we're seeing an effect from higher stock prices. there is a story in the times about the wealthy spending.
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it could be a lag according to ian jefferson of the lower energy prices in the summer showing up in spending in the fall. and maybe the shutdown helped. >> combined with the sequester. >> joe is the one making faces. joe is -- >> i'm not making faces. >> you have a smirk, joe. >> i'm not talking about the shutdown. the shutdown -- >> the shutdown and sequester, that's the fourth -- >> joe is making an ironic point. but here is the thing. i don't know what this means for stocks in the future. what i think it may mean for stocks in the present is that there's more fundamental economic growth underneath the current level of the stock market and more fundamentals underneath the current level of job growth than it appeared when you think about what 2013 was before it happened in the second half. >> let's play a little game, steve. look in the rearview mirror in 2011 and 2012. did you see any four handles in
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gdp? >> there might have been in '11, i think, or '10. >> but my point is, i hope you're right. >> i know you do, rick. >> we have been there before and we all know that building all these widgets, all this inventory had a huge amount to do with it as alice from -- >> but rick -- >> the purchasing manager. >> i want to interject which is i would be concerned about the inventory levels, too, but i have not seen a surge in inventory to sales ratio. we're both market guys, rick, more or less extent here. but we can't second-guess the guys who are doing the ordering. they did the ordering. they brought the stuff into the country. they ordered for the manufacturers. to save it, they overordered to second-guess the market. it appears like they were right. >> you're a fed guy. he's a market giet. what are you talking about? >> yeah, yeah, that one, as well. >> fundamentals. >> that's what i mean, too. >> but you know what i'm saying, rick? the 1 is 1.20, something like
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that. the inventories sales did not surge. we've seen a decline in the savings rate. ian shepherdson is concerned that we cannot maintain -- >> what? >> ian shepherdson from pantheon, he's concerned that we cannot maintain the current level of spending by the consumer because income growth has not gone along with spending growth. what we've seen is a decline in the savings rate. so that remains a question as to whether or not the strong levels we've seen in the fourth quarter, october and november so far are what's in can be maintained. >> and now we haven't even looked into the best part of this. let's say it is more real than the rearview mirror forehandles that we've had that didn't get traction. now what we have to do is we have to try to figure in, at this point, we have higher rates and only maybe the tip of the iceberg. we'll have to wait and see what mother market does as this taper, which has been talked about and preannounced and everybody is nervous about it, but it hasn't even started yet. it's going to start soon. so all these issues are going to
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be -- have to handicap on the fly. >> right. >> and let's include china and europe. >> and i think that's another one question mark, housing. >> housing has already leveled off. >> we know we've had investors out there buying housing. the question is do they continue to buy? those are the questions. >> when the 4% came out, you didn't let us enjoy it at all because you said the next one was going to be -- >> i was wrong about that. tell me what the economists are saying. there were guys who were at a zero handle. steve stanley is only one method. and it does not appear as though we'll have the inventory reversal that is expected. coming up, the first stock of the day for 2014. and it's like the -- the soup -- today's soup did he jour. plus we're going to take today's matters in our own hands. and we have one happy eagles fan. he's getting ready for the big
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for me, business is always sort of the new politics. there were people in journalism who wanted to cover the white house. i wanted to cover business because, to me, if you follow the money, it explains just about everything. this is a show where i get to have breakfast every single morning with the most interesting people in the world. who does that? >> the most interesting people in the world. you got it. you guys. >> and neal is one of the most interesting people in the world. >> the twins said, daddy, what's a tree? and so you went out and went to central park. >> we went to central park. >> i love the pictures of the boys. >> they are cute. >> yeah. we had fun. we put them on hans christian anderson, the big statue. >> my son went out as superman one year. and his suit made him look bigger. when you were running on the reservoir there, was -- >> that's the real thing, baby. that was the real thing. >> why don't we see that here? >> i wear a little bit of a
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baggy shirt. it's a modesty thing and i don't want you to feel bad about your thing. >> you want that tweet we got earlier about the girl with the -- yeah. i saw that and i thought the same thing there. a stir iring anyway, let's get down to the new york stock exchange. nbc. nbc on saturday. i'm worried, the bengals play the chargers, but then we play the broncos. but you go right into the fire with the saints. what do you think? >> the saints are a second rate team when they're not playing in the dome. first rate team when they are in the dome. i'm watching the weather like everybody else. as cold as it can be is going to change that from two to maybe four. >> what a great way to -- are we not psyched, jim? it's the most wonderful time of the year, isn't it? >> i love your team. i love your team because of the passing.
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i love your team because of the consistency. it's great to see someone else lose. i mean, geez, we've seen the same teams over and over again. we're sick of them. >> but also with coaches, i think that guy was pretty good. andy whatever, he's in kansas. but wasn't right for philly. suddenly, this guy comes in. and you haven't felt this good about the eagle necessary a while, have you? >> no. chip kelly's team had four wins and look what they've done. it's interesting to see maybe just a change of pace helped both teams. but it's also one of those situations where we're like, where are the ravens? where r steelers? it's great. watch green bay because green bay seems to come out of nowhere with rodgers. that can be a surprise. >> you saw that last play. that could be a surprise. >> oregon looked like they missed your guy, too. where they didn't show up for that game, they said i'm not in the national title any more. we don't care about the rose bowl. well, you know what? you weren't in the rose bowl, so
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it's great you don't care. we've got a book. >> squawk guide mentioned positively in the book is about trying to make money in a much slower fashion than you were able to make before. using some big themes, holding on to stocks for a longer time and understanding that there are ceos that we all know who we think are terrific and bank with them just like you would bank with belichick, maybe you bank with reid or chip. >> all right. that's a good -- that was a good theme, jim, to do it that way. >> this weekend is going to be big, joe. >> isn't it? and then we have basketball coming, too, which is good. i'm excited. would you bet online on sports, jim inspect that scares me. >> no. i would be very scared. and i don't want to -- i don't want to give those companies my information. but at the same time, i do like igt. i like that stock very much. >> i'm scared of myself. if i lost 100, i would just put 200. i'd keep going until i made it
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back. >> every single gambler i know is possessed about this idea that they'll just double up and double up and double up. it's too easy. >> i know. i don't want the opportunity to do it. don't let me do it. i'm not going to do it. anyway, thank you. >> thank you, guys. >> we'll see you in a few. but every game becomes important that you bet on. >> even when you're not betting on it. >> but not as much. well, the sweet 16, i have a pool. the most unimportant database just to get one more point on the pool and i'm sweating out the last five minutes of every game. i had money on it. >> says a lot. coming up, will there be more upside economic surprises in 2014? we're going to tackle that with former fed governor larry meyer. and which name will be the first stock of the day for 20 sh? that's coming next right here on "squawk box." [ male announcer ] the parking lot helps by letting us know who's coming. the carts keep everyone on the right track. the power tools introduce themselves.
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welcome back to "squawk box," everybody. well known technology journalist cara fisher and walt mossberg are launching a new incarnation of all things d. today it's being called rer/cod. the company is signing a
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separate partnership with nbc news group to promote team up on technology coverage. don't miss swisher and mossberg, coming up a little later on "squawk on the street" later this morning. easy money for the fed may have been out in 2013, but 2014 will be a different ball game with the tapering taking effect now. joining us now, larry meyer. good morning to you, larry, and happy new year. >> happy new year to you. what better way to start the new year than talking about the fed. >> we'll see. bring us inside the room for 2014, both in terms of what you think the tapering looks like and to the extent you think we see it in 2014, i imagine you might not, when will we see an uptick in interest rates? >> we're seeing an uptick in interest rates as we back away from stim use husband. tightening is a ways off. but the second half of the year was very strong, about 3%
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growth. next year is likely to be 3% or higher. so we're firing on all cylinders. the labor market is improving, consumption, residential investment, business fixed investment. fiscal drag is receding. yes, it's going to be a good year. and they'll taper probably at every meeting by an equal amount. if you say what is the mood around the table, i think it's a pretty happen fomc, a pretty relaxed fomc. >> you don't think that there will be a month or two where they taper more than any other month and we'll see different signales from each month or do you think the whole sense is you have to stay at exactly the same rate. otherwise, you spook the market? >> you don't have to, but why differ? what does one month's data mean inspect there's a pretty high hurdle here to changing the pace. in particular, they want to stop asset purchases and they're on a path to do it. the markets understand they're
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on a path to do it. this is a situation where monetary policymakers, i think, really like this. they signal to the markets. the markets understand them. the economy is getting better. you know, there is -- you know, in some sense, this doesn't have to do anything. >> larry, if the first quarter's data and the second quarter's data starts to really go above as it currently exists, what do you think is the chance of them accelerating out into the third quarter or fourth quarter and finish this process more quickly than they are currently on path to do? >> that's always possible. you know b it's always a story about conditionality. but there's a pretty high hurdle to do that. and so i -- you know, you have to pick a number, 4.5% growth? sure. 3.5% growth? no. so, yeah, i think that there's a very high hurdle to changing here. simplicity, predictability, that is the order of the day.
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>> larry, a slightly political question. do you have any view about the economic impact of this unemployment insurance issue? >> well, yes. we have a view with macroeconomic advisers that difference from the consensus. we believe it's a very small factor in the outlook, very little impact on the unemployment rate or growth. and the reason is the number of people who are getting unemployment benefits has declined sharply and are still declining. so i think that's an overblown issue. that's not the issue for this year. the issue for this year is receiving fiscal demand, moving from a 2% economy to a 3% economy. that's the story. >> let me throw one zigzag at you, larry. we had a number of analysts on one of whom could see a major correction. we could see a correction of as much as 20%. how will that ultimately impact the way the fed things about all the things they're doing? >> well, there are two things.
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please don't bet on that. that's a suckered bet. number two, the fed doesn't react to the market per se, but a 20% in equity values, the fed would have to respond to that. the problem is, they won't respond by reversing purchases and purchasing more. no, they're stopping asset purchases. take that to the bank. they would have to use other instruments, forward guidance, etcetera. but there's not a lot the fed can do now. let's hope for the best. let's hope the forecast, which looks very compelling, works out. happy new year. >> happy new year to you, too. >> it looks like a foggy washington. is the white house normally behind you? >> i have no idea. i have no geographical sense at all. i have no idea where i am. >> happy new year, then. >> we know that from a lot of his comments about the fed, i think. no, i'm kidding, larry.
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i'm kidding. "new york times" corrected this. they said in the rose bowl they had stanford playing michigan on the front page. >> instead of michigan state? >> and i said i wonder if they corrected that. they did. in the report that the front page was referencing, that that was the 1100th rose bowl, too. i read that yesterday and i thought, oh, man, it figures. coming up, first stock of the day for 2014. and colorado goes up in smoke. i watched a lot about that. they're showing these big, skinky buds that people are running out. marijuana sales for recreational use, long lines and visitors from around the country. i have no idea what that sound is. the marijuana editor of the denver post will be on "squawk on the street." they have a marijuana editor. yes, in the 111:00 a.m. hour. >> they have a marijuana editor and they're just hiring a marijuana critic.
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that's definitely it. stock of the day, fiat, the eye ta italian carmaker reaches a deal with the uaw for $3.7 billion in cash. neal, it's a new year, 2014. it seems like a lot of the things have really started to turn course after the great recession that we were in. we're looking at unemployment rates around 7%. do you think this is really the year that we can say, okay, we've made it through to better times? >> i think it should be. if washington doesn't step on its own toes, i think the -- you know, the real economy is starting to pick up. i think that's going to continue to grow. and i think, you know, most of the news is positive. labor markets, consumption, housing markets, all point in the right direction. i think this is potentially going to be a very positive year. >> if there's something that would trip it up, you think it's washington or something
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external? >> i think either could do. washington the potential to do that. and i think overseas, we need to continue to pay attention to developments in europe, which a are, you know, okay but still more work to be done there. so i think we are susceptible to these stocks. i don't foresee it, necessarily, but i think it's something we should continue to keep watch out for. >> but i think to this point the fed has done a good job, would keep things afloat until they could hand off the baton to the real economy? you think that's really happening? >> i think it's worked very nicely and i think there's a plan in place to unwind that. i think when the story books are written, i think the fed's performance over the last four or five years will be a huge part of how we got ourselves from a huge crisis to a place that's pretty good. >> much more satisfying ending to see bernanke being the one who starts the taper so that he can begin to unravel all of this himself rather than -- >> i think it's a nice end to an
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extraordinary run as chairman. i think he did enormously well in the crisis. and all throughout the last four or on five years really, you know, made unbelievably good decisions that were hard at the time and i think are going to stand the test of history. >> it was kind of unbelievable to have a student of the great depression sitting in the chair when everything really went south. >> extraordinary stuff. and, you know, it wasn't just him, but he was an incredibly important piece of it. this is a guy whose academic career was focused this and had this unbelievable opportunity in the moment of a real crisis to put some of that into play and to do things that had never been done before. >> i know you were only the acting treasury secretary for 40 days, but what do you think about the dollar this year, honestly? >> oh, my goodness. well, you know, i think the dollar is -- >> strong dollar. >> -- doing pretty well for itself. whoever it was said earlier on the show, a lot of these other currencies have issues associated with them.
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our economic performance is strong and with the the dollar will do well. >> strosstein is watching and he's mad at me for not saying not the eagles now. it's the band, ralph. i was talking about the dude who says not the i was talking aboue band. >> thanks for being here. make sure you join us tomorrow. "squawk on the street" begins right now. ♪ i'll be bringing in a brand new year, brand new year ♪ so listen, dear, won't you meet me here ♪ >> good morning and happy new year, everybody. i'm david faber with jim cramer, author of the new book "get rich carefully ". i have no idea how he had time to write a book. carl quintanilla is off today. let's take a look at futures ahead of first t

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